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Mystery Photo #1
2006-08-04 11:27
by Score Bard

On a recent travel adventure, I happened to wander into a "Recycle Store", a business which tries to take one person's junk and turn into someone else's treasure.

This store happened to have a huge barrelful of old, discarded slides and photo negatives. Turns out that most of these discarded pictures were of sporting events. Probably 95% of them were pictures of NCAA and NFL football games, but there were some baseball pictures in the pile, too.

So I gathered up as many baseball pictures as I could find, and bought a couple handfuls of the old photos.

None of these photos were marked in any way, so there's the game: let's try to identify who the people are in the photos, and figure out where and when the photo was taken.

Ready? Here's picture #1:

Click on the image for a larger view.

2006-08-04 11:42:57
1.   Bob Timmermann
#3 is Orlando Palmeiro.
2006-08-04 11:47:54
2.   Bob Timmermann
I'm pretty sure those are late 1990s batting practice jerseys for the Angels.
2006-08-04 11:49:12
3.   Score Bard
OK, because I was looked like either a Braves or Indians uniform, but Orlando Palmeiro never played for either of those teams.
2006-08-04 11:49:52
4.   Score Bard
So if that's the Angels, is the thrower Tim Salmon?
2006-08-04 11:57:35
5.   Bob Timmermann
Well, Salmon does wear 15. I suppose the other digit could be a 1. It looks like a hard throw from an outfielder and not a pitcher doing long toss. It looks like a throw in anger. I think the Angels may have worn the solid blue unis a few times during interleague play when they started out.

That could be Qualcomm, but I don't recall it having any angles in the outfield like that.

2006-08-04 12:16:00
6.   Upperdeck
I'm gonna guess
1995 California Angels--the patch on the sleeve for their 30th anniv.?
Orlando Palmiero #3
Tim Salmon #15
Anaheim Stadium
2006-08-04 12:21:58
7.   Bob Timmermann
1996 was the 30th anniversary of Anaheim Stadium.
2006-08-04 12:26:11
8.   Philip Michaels says that's the Angels' alternate jersey from 2000/2001

And I think that is Angels Stadium -- I'd recognize the non-descript green padding rimming the stands anywhere. Even if it is non-descript.

2006-08-04 12:27:42
9.   Bob Timmermann
Nope, it's 1995. It's the 35th anniversary patch of the franchise, not the stadium!

And I'm betting that it was this game:

Since it was July 4th and it would be a more likely day for the Angels to wear a different uniform.

Orlando Palmeiro was a rookie in 1995 and played only a handful of games in center.

2006-08-04 12:27:55
10.   Philip Michaels
Whoops! My mistake -- that's the 1998/1999 alternate jersey.

The light blue piping on the sleeve is the dead giveaway. What a fool I was not to notice.

2006-08-04 12:29:00
11.   Bob Timmermann
I think that's the wrong font for the numerals. Also by that time, Anaheim had a different style fence in RF.
2006-08-04 12:32:30
12.   Philip Michaels
11 I bow to Bob's knowledge of numeral fonts.

And that does appear to be the 35th anniversay logo on Palmeiro's sleeve.

2006-08-04 12:33:56
13.   Bob Timmermann
We could send it to Paul Lukas of Uni Watch or to Rob McMillin of 6-4-2.
2006-08-04 12:34:05
14.   Score Bard
Yes, it looks like the Angels' 1995 Alternate Jersey:

2006-08-04 12:34:38
15.   Bob Timmermann
I now have 14 tabs open on my browser in the quest to answer this question.

Yes, I have the day off.

2006-08-04 12:36:42
16.   Score Bard
OK, it's definitely 1995. Logo and unis match. So it's probably Palmeiro and Salmon.

Now, which ballparks in 1995 did they have games in which Palmeiro played CF, and Salmon played right?

2006-08-04 12:37:43
17.   Bob Timmermann
Hey, I'm down to 12 tabs!

Orlando Palmeiro has not played center field much so it's not a big set of games.

The green padding on the fence is pre-renovation Anaheim, when it was set up for Anaheim's nonexistent football team.

2006-08-04 12:38:22
18.   Bob Timmermann
There's a link to Palmeiro's day-by-days in 9
2006-08-04 12:41:57
19.   Score Bard
Answers: Toronto (but it's not Toronto...that's not astroturf), Kansas City and Boston.

So it's either Kansas City on August 9, 1995 (a Wally Joyner double to right in the eighth inning), or in Boston on September 2, 1995.

2006-08-04 12:43:12
20.   Score Bard
Was Kansas City still astroturf in 1995?
2006-08-04 12:45:09
21.   Bob Timmermann
Preseason stories said the Angels would wear the blue jerseys every Saturday. The 4th of July was a Tuesday and they might have made an exception for the holiday.

The game that night drew 61,292, which was the biggest crowd in the majors at that point in the season.

The Angels were also in negotiations with Darin Erstad's agent on July 4, 1995 and deciding whether or not to demote Shawn Boskie or Mike Bieleck to the bullpen.

2006-08-04 12:46:44
22.   Score Bard
September 2 was a Saturday. I'm thinking, then, that this was taken in Boston on 9/2/1995.
2006-08-04 12:47:33
23.   Bob Timmermann

It's not KC. And it's not Boston. I'm pretty sure it's Anaheim. I think they wore the dark pants with the blue tops.

2006-08-04 12:48:14
24.   Bob Timmermann
Yeah, I can see it being Boston now. That would explain the sharp angle in RF.
2006-08-04 12:52:45
25.   Score Bard
OK, what plays could this have been?

Red Sox 3rd: Alicea singles to right. Vaughn doubles to right.

Red Sox 4th: Hosey singles to right. Valentin flies to right.

Red Sox 6th: Valentin flied to right.

Red Sox 7th: Naehring singles to right.

Given the strong nature of the throw (he's probably throwing to third) I'm guessing this was Valentin's fly ball to right for the 2nd out of the 4th inning, with runners on 1st and 2nd. He'd be making a strong throw to keep Alicea on 2nd base.

2006-08-04 12:54:00
26.   Score Bard
A fly ball would also explain why Palmeiro is just kinda standing there instead of running.
2006-08-04 12:54:17
27.   Upperdeck
It looks like Salmon is in center and Palmiero is in left because of the angle where the grass meets the warning track and the fact there's no foul line.
2006-08-04 12:55:58
28.   Score Bard
27 I'm thinking you get that illusion because the picture is just beyond Pesky's Pole. It's all fair territory.
2006-08-04 12:57:57
29.   Bob Timmermann
I really think it's a photo of me after climbing up and down to the Point Reyes Lighthouse.
2006-08-04 12:58:32
30.   Upperdeck
Score Bard

Where was the "Recycle store?"

2006-08-04 12:58:58
31.   Kels
I've been trying to find a similar picture taken in center field towards right at fenway with not much luck. Anyone else find anything like that?
2006-08-04 13:00:48
32.   Upperdeck
Here's a field diagram of Angels Stadium but it is from last year. Notice the sharp angles in center.

2006-08-04 13:06:17
33.   Upperdeck
Actually that's probably the road gray pants so it can't be Anaheim.
2006-08-04 13:08:00
34.   Ken Arneson
29 Shhh...that was going to by Mystery Photo #3!
2006-08-04 13:18:36
35.   Cliff Corcoran
Guys, it's definitely Fenway. I could tell before I even started reading the comments or doing any research. Fenway Green is a trademarked color and those walls are Fenway Green. Plus the road pants (teams will wear white pants with colored jerseys at home, grey on the road).

I think it's Valentin's fly in 25:

Sat, 9/2/95, Angels @ Red Sox at Fenway Park, 5-4 Sox bottom of the sixth. Against Mike James, Luis Alicea walks and a Willie McGee strikes out. John Valentin then flies out to right. This is a photo of Angels right-fielder Tim Salmon firing the ball back in to hold Alicea at first with center fielder Orlando Palmeiro in the foreground.

2006-08-04 13:29:31
36.   vockins
I'm amazed Pony was still making cleats in 1995.
2006-08-04 13:30:06
37.   Cliff Corcoran
The color is off in this link, but note the similar style of padding in this shot of Fenway:

Here's a photo that shows the sharp corner in the right field grass (bottom of linked photo):

And here's another from beyond the RF wall, note the padding on the left of the photo and the sharp corners in the grass:

2006-08-04 13:31:30
38.   Cliff Corcoran
How embarassing, the first link in 37 is of Busch Stadium.
2006-08-04 15:35:28
39.   Sam DC
Rick Deckard would be proud.
2006-08-04 21:14:58
40.   ScoobyGoo
let's play again!
2006-08-04 21:46:22
41.   Cliff Corcoran
For yucks I checked out my 1996 Topps set (which documents the '95 season) and flipped through the Angels cards. The Tim Salmon card (#319) shows the 35th Anniversary patch clearly as well as confirm the fact that Salmon wore a single red wrist band on his left wrist. The photo on the front of the card is of Salmon swinging with his head down and his face obscured by the bill of his helmet and he has an identical grimace on his face. The photo on the back confirms the way he wore his stirrups and shows his glove, which is also a match.
2006-08-04 21:50:09
42.   das411
Wow, internet anthropology is fun! Cool game Ken!
2006-08-04 21:50:15
43.   Cliff Corcoran
Special Topps card bonus. The text on the back states: "In '95, Tim joined Don Baylor as one of only two California Angels ever to log back-to-back, 30-HR seasons." But the stats above accurately list his HR totals as:

'92: 1
'93: 31
'94: 23
'95: 34


2006-08-05 20:40:55
44.   Jon Weisman
There was something inspiring about this thread.

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